Posts by Billy the Ex-Bethelite

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How do you respond to JW family?

by Laika in

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for those who have left and are still in contact with jw family, how do you usually respond when they bring up jw stuff, i.e.

start talking about the nearness of armageddon or things like that.. i usually say nothing and just let it pass but i'm considering changing tact to something more confrontational, less because i want to change their mind and more because i find it tiresome.

thoughts?

Billy the Ex-Bethelite

With my parents, I'll typically just change the subject... sometimes by asking about one of the dozens of elderly and sick in the congregation.

There's been a very few times that they've pushed my buttons enough for me to push buttons back, then I'll remind them that I'm old, unmarried, childless, and have nothing saved for my fast-approaching retirement age because I'd been told how close the end was back in the 1970s, 80s, 90s, 00s, and now the 2010s. And I'll remind them that none of their parents ever expected to die (but they did).

If my siblings are around, I'll use some sarcasm like, "Yep, that's why we call these the Last Days... because they last, and last, and last, and last!"

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March JW Broadcast: Once again disparaging Higher Education - this time in the Music Video.

by cappytan in

i will have the music video separated shortly.

will post the link once it's done..

Billy the Ex-Bethelite

Sesame Street has a much more compelling message and musical number:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aqpaTT6EcXM

Yikes, JW kids keep watching Sesame Street and they're primed to be exJWs who believe in themselves!

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I'm Ready... Thank you

by Garrett in

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friends

hey guys,.

so, something amazing happened recently.

i recently met with an old and very good friend of mine.

Billy the Ex-Bethelite

You could tell them that you have disfellowshipped all of THEM for being liars and false prophets.

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How did you find the truth? - the loaded question.

by user100 in

had dinner this weekend with a jw family and met a bunch of new jws.

one of them who was not very talkative at all and out of the blue asked me how i found "the truth".

i answered how my family has always been starting with my great grandfather.. then he clarified his question.. he said something about how this is a great question and people always talk about their spiritual heritage.

Billy the Ex-Bethelite

"people always talk about their spiritual heritage. but the question really is when/how/why did you make the truth your own?"

Well, there was the 1975 thing, and I made that "truth" my own. But that passed and then there was the "Peace and Security" thing, the not going to college thing, and the not having a family thing, and the generation of 70 or 80 years thing, and so I made that "truth" my own. But that passed and then there was the generation of wicked people, and so I made that "truth" my own. But that changed and then there was the generation of anointed, and so I made that "truth" my own. But that passed and then there was the over-lapping generation, and so I've made that "truth" my own. I think I got the order right. But that doesn't really matter, because it will be soon replaced by something else and then I'll have to make that "truth" my own... or be disfellowshipped.

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March JW Broadcast: Once again disparaging Higher Education - this time in the Music Video.

by cappytan in

i will have the music video separated shortly.

will post the link once it's done..

Billy the Ex-Bethelite

Gosh, that video touched my heart... in a bad way. It reminded me of how deceived I was to walk away from furthering my education after I graduated and I pioneered instead. And the guy reminded me of how my "bethel career" was just a dead-end job. And lucky him, his apartment is way bigger than my crappy bethel rooms ever were.

Happily for me, I now have a degree and a good-paying career that allows me plenty of free time for meetings and service... HAHAHAHAHAHAHA! It leaves me plenty of time to post here and spend money on non-WT activities, like Sunday morning brunch!

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New Picture for Memorial Season

by Doctor Who in

i think this would work well.... .

Billy the Ex-Bethelite

Love it! But, but, but...

JWs don't want brains! They take that part out and throw it away.

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Just woke up

by Doctor Who in

new to the site.

currently i am a ministerial servant and was told i was appointed to be an elder.

i told the brothers i was not ready for that assignment.

Billy the Ex-Bethelite

Welcome! And congrats for learning the truth about the truth.

Currently I am a ministerial servant and was told I was appointed to be an elder. I told the brothers I was not ready for that assignment.

You dodged a bullet. For me it was eye-opening when I became an elder. I went in with optimism and energy expecting to fix a lot of things and see jehovah's spirit in action. Ugh. Instead it was tons of paperwork, long meetings that usually accomplished nothing, and being required to kiss the CO's ass. It was awful.

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Why are so many Elders and Elders deleted so angry at the Flock?

by JWCartPusher in

has anyone else experienced the wrath of elders and ex-elders on innocent rank-and-file dubs?

what are these power hungry men and their wives so mad about?

where is the love we were promised when those witnesses spent hours indoctrinating us about the spiritual paradise of witnesses we would be joining?

Billy the Ex-Bethelite

Has anyone else experienced the wrath of Elders and ex-Elders on innocent rank-and-file dubs?

Yes.

What are these power hungry men and their wives so mad about?

Many are tired from working low-paying jobs, disappointed that they are growing older and poorer while the paradise isn't really any closer than it was 40 years ago. When they go to the meetings they're tired of giving so many talks and trying to get others to show up for FS. They tire of befriending and love-bombing other people that they really don't have much in common with or even like sometimes. And they're tired of kissing the CO's and COW's asses every few months. They can't take this disappointment and frustration out of jehovah, the GB, or the bOrg. That just leaves everything and everyone else as targets.

Where is the love we were promised when those witnesses spent hours indoctrinating us about the Spiritual Paradise of Witnesses we would be joining?

The "love" was just love-bombing to get people to join. Then "love" is just a propaganda tool like "joy". They're depressed and emotionally distant, but call them "joy" and "love".

Where are these or "them" who love each other?

There's plenty of love to be found outside the KH.

All I experienced is their hatred and wrath, what should I do, roll away?

You're still a young cart, there can be much more to life than displaying WT litteratrash and advertising their Interwebsite. Perhaps you could replace all that stuff with some nice brochures and posters for vacations or cars! Or, maybe you could go to university and handle brochures for educational programs and financial aid. Whatever you choose, it's likely that you will get much more love and attention than what you've been getting as a JWcart. Also, I hope you're comfortable with people getting all touchy-feely if you become a "worldly" display.

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How to get my kids out

by SaneAgain in

i've been disfellowshipped for about 5 years and extremely happy to be out.

my ex wife is still a regular meeting attender and takes our two young kids with her (8 and 6 years old).

i recently saw some of the caleb and sophia videos on the jw.org website and was completely appalled, i remember what i was taught as a kid growing up in the organization but this seems so much worse and now that i'm out i can plainly see the mind control.

Billy the Ex-Bethelite

Welcome!

How much time do you get to spend with the kids? Do you have non-JW relatives?

I'm not a parent, but I was an elder enough to see how these things can go sometimes. My first suggestion would be to get to know what's going on with the kids. Help them to feel really comfortable and relaxed around you.

They're probably getting programmed to be uptight and defensive around you, their dfd dad. And they're too young to effectively become independent... when they get to their teens, that will come out! Make sure they understand that you love them and will listen to whatever is in their hearts.

As I remember growing up in WTland, I got plenty of lecturing on what to say, think, and do from my parents and all the KH sheeples. I didn't need someone to ramp up the internal conflict of proJW/antiJW rhetoric. I needed an adult that really listened and cared about me... without all the WT crap.

While they're young, it can be hard to listen to and understand their thoughts as kids, but it sets the groundwork for a solid future relationship.

But that's just the opinion of an exJW ex-elder.

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Zone Visit - Sri Lanka Governing Body member David Splane

by Liyanage in

last sunday (23rd february 2015) we had our zone visit ( visit headquarters representative).

this time governing body member david splane and brother john ekrann came to sri lanka.

and they spent almost one week in sri lanka.. .

Billy the Ex-Bethelite

Welcome!

And he mentioned one publisher give only average of Sri Lanka Rupees 165/- ( Equal to US$ 1.25) for a month. Therefore he encourage to increase the that amount.

Nothing quite as disgusting as a rich westerner flying out to shake down the locals for more ca$h!